020 – Medical education on a sisterly level

Imagine getting a chance to work and do something meaningful with your best friend all the time. My next two guests –  Drs. Gameli Dekayie-Amenu & Chantal Stephens-Archer get to do that on a daily basis with their passion project BestiesMD. Best friends since meeting in college at the University of Chicago, Drs. Chantale & Gameli have used YouTube, blog posts, and public speaking to empower women through health education on a relatable  and sisterly level.

Besides being featured in various electronic and print media, they are now jumping into podcasting with their very own – Tea & Cookies Podcast.

Dr. Gameli


Dr. Gameli originally hails from Ghana, but moved to the United States at a very young age. She completed her medical studies and Emergency Medicine residency at Rush University and University of Chicago respectively. Currently she practices as a ER physician in the south suburbs of Illinois.

Dr. Chantale

Dr. Chantale was born and raised in Chicago and went to the prestigious Whitney Young Magnet High School. University of Illinois is where she completed both her medical studies and residency in Internal Medicine. For the past four years, she has been practicing as a Hospitalist.



Things you’ll learn in this episode:

  • How BestiesMD started
  • Their thoughts on the current state of medical journalists
  • Why they favor quality over quantity in the digital age
  • How they’re attempting to level the playing field for underrepresented women in medicine with Medical Mavens.
  • How they answer #imnotjustadoc

Music: Shooting School/soundcloud.com/contraband-studios/joey

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019 – Dr Drai on building momentum with coaching

I’m bringing back an old friend to Docs Outside the Box – Dr. Drai. Dr. Drai was featured on episode 3 where we talked about his breaking point from a pure clinical practice. Dr. Drai continues to be sought after by media for his medical opinions, but now he’s taking his physician coaching to a larger scale.

He is hosting his first ever conference called Momentum in Medicine taking place in Atlanta, GA on April 20 – 22. According to Dr Drai, this is “a conference for medical professional to learn how to monetize their medical degrees and leverage their brand from medicine to mogul.” That’s a lot to live up to,  but based on the speakers he has for this conference – looks like he’s serious!

Things you’ll learn in this episode:

  • What role meditation plays in his daily schedule
  • Who is Momentum in Medicine for
  • Which doctors won’t benefit from this conference
  • Why Dr. Drai thinks you need a coach for your career
  • What to look for in a coach

MUSIC: Jaytwo/Soundcloud.com/Jaytwomusic

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018 – Learning the things you should’ve been taught in medical school

Dr Bonnie Mason

On this episode I get to chat with Dr. Bonnie Mason – CEO of Beyond The Exam Room. Through a combination of online and live courses, Beyond The Exam Room (BTER) educates and prepares physicians for things we all should’ve learned in medical school. Wanna learn to read and understand contracts? Check – There’s a module for that How about learning all that goes into starting/joining/maintaining a private practice? Boom – There’s a module for that. Interested in personal finance? Check – need I say more?! All of these courses are accredited by the University of Louisville and eligible for CME.

She has a knack for giving back. Check out her non-profit organization Nth Dimensions, which boasts the mission of increasing women and under-represented minority representation in the field of orthopedic surgery.

Dr. Mason obtained her undergraduate degree from Howard University in Washington, D.C. She then graduated with her medical degree from Morehouse School of Medicine, and then went back to Howard University to complete an orthopedic surgery residency.

Things you’ll learn in this episode:

  • Top 3 mistakes physicians make when negotiating contracts
  • The items in your contract you should prioritize over salary
  • Is there such a thing as winning at negotiations
  • Her thoughts on having lawyers review physician contracts
  • How she answers #imnotjustadoc

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017 – Step outside the box with Future Proof MD

Future Proof MD

Necessity is the mother of all invention. Everyone has heard this old proverb. It became relevant again during our economic recession in the years of 2007 – 2009.  Although there were plenty of negative events chronicled during the Great Recession, one bright spot was the rise of the personal finance movement. Numerous blogs have spawned from this movement covering everything from paying off student loans to teaching people how to retire by the ripe ‘ole age of 40.  Baby-boomers, millenials, black or white…you name it there’s a personal finance blog for seemingly every demographic.

In this episode, I get to interview Future Proof MD who is a recent entry into the world of personal finance blogs. A self described disciple of The White Coat Investor  (DOTB Episode 6), Future Proof MD started the blog because he wanted a more efficient way to answer common financial questions from fellow medical students and residents. From his Investing 101 series (highly recommended) to his reviews on fin-tech, in less than three years the website has grown to be a major player within the personal finance blog world!

He obtained his medical degree from the University of Missouri and is currently a radiology resident (how does he find the time??) at Florida Hospital in Orlando, Florida.

In this episode you’ll learn:

  • Top 3 financial mistakes physicians are making
  • His advice for young attendings with large student loan debt
  • His personal philosophy on money management
  • Where Future Proof MD will be in five years
  • How he answers #imnotjustadoc


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016 – A Year of Failure

No guests for this episode everyone!  You’ve heard stories from various doctors living outside the box – this episode you get to hear from me!

  • Learn why I called 2016 the Year of Failure for me
  • I started a locums tenens company called Equal Access Health. It’s not your average locums company. Currently we have great opportunities in OB/GYN and Trauma Surgery! Check out the website to learn more and sign up.
  • Hear my challenge to you to get 2017 kicked off with a bang!

Background music: “Free Hip Hop Beat With Hook: Ancestors” by GrizzlysBeatz.com

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015 – Don’t call her a superwoman – Dr Nicole Swiner demystifies the Superwoman Complex

Physician, author, speaker, social media coach, wife, mother, and owner of her own publishing company. Many say it takes superpowers to juggle all of these talents – but my next guest, Dr. Nicole Swiner, will say she’s no superwoman! She truly is living outside the box.

Dr. Nicole Swiner
Dr. Nicole Swiner

In order to drum up more attention for her practice, she started writing medical advice for her town’s  local newspaper. Dr. Swiner’s passions are in women and minority health, stress management, and self care. Years later, with a myriad of columns and articles, she noticed that she covered very similar themes and used this to create her first book: How to Avoid the Superwoman Complex: 12 Ways to Balance Mind, Body & SpiritHer book focuses on the notion that trying to be “all things to all people” is a large reason why people aren’t truly happy and healthy.

Dr. Swiner did her undergraduate studies at Duke University, and obtained her medical degree from the Medical University of South Carolina. From there, she decided Family Medicine was for her, and completed her residency at the University of North Carolina – Chapel Hill. Currently Dr. Swiner is practicng in Durham, North Carolina.

Things you’ll learn in this episode:

  • Why even in this age of dwindling private practices –  she prefers private practice to being hospital employed
  • Her definition of the Superwoman Complex
  • Quick tips on how to create content and become a published author
  • How she learned the importance of self-promotion
  • The what and why behind Swiner Publishing Company
  • How she answers #imnotjustadoc


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014 – Dr Ryan Gray from the Medical School Headquarters

Dr. Ryan Gray took some time from his busy schedule to be my next guest. He’s a podcasting veteran and if you haven’t heard of Ryan Gray – you’re living under a rock!! He runs the Medical School Headquarters, which is a website that “takes relevant premed topics and creates a one-stop shop for you to quickly get the information you need.” As the host of multiple podcasts – all with a focus on helping premed students become stronger candidates for medical school – he has quickly gained thousands of followers and listeners.

Dr. Ryan Gray
Dr. Ryan Gray

Oh yeah and add author his repertoire. His book The Premed Playbook – Guide to the Medical School Interview  is his compilation of over 50 interview questions and answers that premeds can use to crush their interviews!! He even provides one -on-one coaching for premeds.

Dr. Gray did his undergraduate studies at the University of Florida, and graduated with his M.D. at New York Medical College. He went on to do an internship at Tufts Medical Center and afterwards became a Flight Surgeon.

Things you’ll learn in this episode:

  • His thoughts on the positives and negatives of being an entrepreneur
  • Why he stepped away from clinical medicine and decided to run Medical School Headquarters full time
  • Why he decided to write his book The Premed Playbook
  • His thoughts on self-publishing vs. traditional publishing
  • Ryan’s best productivity life-hack
  • How he answers #imnotjustadoc

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013 – An anesthesiologist taking the pain away from the home buying experience

On this episode, I get to chat with Dr. Peter Kim. Dr. Kim did his undergraduate studies at Johns Hopkins University, and then attained his medical degree (MD) from University of Maryland School of Medicine. Currently he is an anesthesiologist in Los Angeles, California. Peter’s session is a bit different than my previous interviews. Why? Well, the common theme shared by my other guests revolved around leveraging our credentials for media presence or achieving financial freedom.

Dr. Peter Kim
Dr. Peter Kim

Although Dr. Kim loves the idea of financial freedom, his story is about disrupting the real estate industry with his company – Curbside Real Estate . The impetus to start the company came from his frustrations while purchasing a home and wondering why there wasn’t a better way for busy professionals like himself. Curbside Real Estate touts being able to streamline the process of purchasing a home for busy professionals by using a preferred network of realtors and mortgage loan lenders. The company is even touting no private mortgage insurance (that’s a big deal)!

Check out the website for Curbside Real Estate – www.curbsiderealestate.com

Things you’ll learn in this episode:

  • The story behind the creation of Curbside Real Estate
  • What role social responsibility plays in his company as well as the positive impact it has in less developed areas of the world
  • How he overcame being timid about his business with colleagues
  • The current top 3 mistakes physicians are making when purchasing a home
  • Lifehacks he uses to balance a full clinical schedule with being a family man and now a successful entrepreneur
  • How he answers #imnotjustadoc


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012 – Dr Renee Matthews from The Ask Dr Renee Show

Dr. Renee Matthews
Dr. Renee Matthews

My next guest is Dr. Renee Matthews – host of the wildly popular Ask Dr. Renee Show. She has turned her passion for talking about medicine to the masses into her lifestyle. After facing difficulty with getting into an OB/GYN residency, Dr. Renee pivoted onto her

networking skills that garnered her opportunities like a XM radio show. She’s now a well-sought after media medical expert, blogger, and national speaker. Oh, don’t forget to add social media guru to her list of skills – she now coaches physicians on how to distinguish themselves through multiple social medial platforms.

You can find her at: askdrrenee.info

Follow The Ask Dr Renee Show: www.youtube.com/user/AskDrRenee

Things you’ll learn in this interview:

  • Her plans to transition from YouTube to network TV
  • Why it’s so important for doctors to embrace social media
  • Her best productivity lifehack
  • How she answers #imnotjustadoc

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011 – Ask Dr. Darko featuring Katie Brewer

Katie Brewer, CFP
Katie Brewer, CFP

Katie Brewer, a fee-only financial planner was a guest on episode 4 and discussed basic financial educational tips for physicians. Based on the downloads, that was a favorite among you all! In this episode, Katie Brewer and I get to answer various financial questions from our listeners.

Dr. O – Virginia

  • Are variable annuities a viable financial product and if not what’s a better product?

Dr. L – Massachusetts

  • I have close to 100k in federal student loans with interest rates between 3 to 4%; when is it better to invest vs pay off student loans?
  • What’s the maximum amount I can invest in a 529 account for my kids?

Dr. C – Kansas

  • Why are so many people pushing index funds over individual stock?
  • What are your thoughts on Robo advisors vs investing on your own?
  • What about Peer to Peer lending?


You can learn more about Katie Brewer and her fee-only financial planning firm at Your Richest Life.

Here’s the article Katie mentioned in her answer to Dr. C – The 7 Deadly Sins of Investing


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